bernie sanders proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government run healthcare system. two years later you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option. what is your plan today? >> harris: well first of all i absolutely support and over the last four years as vice-president private healthcare options but what we need to do is maintain and grow the affordable care act. i'll get to that linsey, i just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made. i've made very clear my position on fracking. and then this business about taking everyone's guns away, tim walz and i are both gun owners we're not taking anybody's guns away so stop with the continuous lying about this stuff. as it relates to the inflation reduction act, look at the history to know where people stand. when donald trump was president 60 times he tried to get rid of the affordable care act. 60 times. i was a senator at the time when i will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the united states

senate and the late, great john mccain, who you have disparaged as being -- you don't like him you said at the time because he got caught. he was an american hero. the late, great john mccain, i will never forget that night, walked onto the senate floor and said, no you don't. no, you don't. no, you don't get rid of the affordable care act. you have no plan. and what the affordable care act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions. i don't have to tell the people watching tonight. you remember what that was like? remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor? if a grand parent had diabetes? and thankfully, as i've been vice-president and we over the last four years have strengthened the affordable care act, we have allowed for the first time medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you,

the american people. donald trump said he was going to allow medicare to negotiate drug prices, he never did. we did. and now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month. since i've been vice-president we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year, and when i am president, we will do that for all people understanding that this value i bring to this is that access to healthcare should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. and the plan has to be to strengthen the affordable care act, not get rid of it. >> linsey: madam vice-president thank you. i want to move to an issue that's important. >> trump: she made a mistake. number one, john mccain fought obamacare for ten years, but it wasn't only him. it was all of the democrats that kept it going and you know what? we can do much better than obamacare much less money. but she won't improve private insurance for people.

private medical insurance, that's another thing she doesn't want to do. people are paying privately for insurance that have worked hard and made money and they want to have private. she wants everybody to be on government insurance where you wait six months for an operation that you need immediately. >> linsey: president trump thank you. we have another issue that we'd like to get to that's important for a number of americans in particular younger voters and that's climate change. president trump with regard to the environment you say that we have to have clean air and clean water. vice-president harris you call climate change an existential threat. the question to you both tonight is what would you do to fight climate change and vice-president harris we'll start with you one minute for you each. >> harris: well, the former president has said climate change is a hoax and what we know is that it is very real. you ask anyone who lives in a state who has experienced these extreme weather occurrences who now is either being denied home insurance or it's being jacked up. you ask anybody who has been the victim of what that means in

terms of losing their home, having nowhere to go. we know that we can actually deal with this issue. the young people of america care deeply about this issue. and i am proud that as vice-president over the last four years, we have invested a trillion dollars in a clean energy economy while we have also increased domestic gas production to historic levels. we have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while i have been vice-president. we have invested in clean energy to the point that we are opening up factories around the world. donald trump said he was going to create manufacturing jobs, he lost manufacturing jobs. and i'm also proud to have the endorsement of the united auto workers and shawn fain who also know that part of building a clean energy economy includes investing in american-made products, american automobiles. it includes growing what we can do around american manufacturing and opening up auto plants, not

closing them like happened under donald trump. >> linsey: vice-president harris thank you. >> trump: that didn't happen under donald trump. let me just tell you. they lost 10,000 manufacturing jobs this last month. it's going -- they're all loving. they're building big auto plants in mexico, in many cases owned by china. they're building these massive plants and they think they're going to sell their cars into the united states because of these people, what they have given to china is unbelievable. but we're not going to let that. we'll put tariffs on those cars so they can't come into our country because they will kill the united auto workers and any auto worker whether in detroit or south carolina or any other place. what they've done to business and manufacturing in this country is horrible. we have nothing because they refuse -- you know, biden doesn't go after people because supposedly china paid him millions of dollars. he's afraid to do it. between him and his son. they get all this money from ukraine, they get all this money

from all of these different countries and then you wonder why is he so loyal to this one, that one, ukraine, china. why is he? why did he get three and a half million dollars from the mayor of moscow's wife? why did he get -- why did she pay him three and a half million dollars? this is a crooked administration and they're selling our country down the tubes. >> linsey: propped thank you. >> trump: thank you. >> david: we'll be right back with closing sframents both of our candidates historic night this abc presidential debate from philadelphia. back in a moment.

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and a vision of that includes having a plan, understanding the aspirations, the dreams, the hopes, the ambition of the american people, which is why i intend to create an opportunity economy investing in small businesses, in new families, in what we can do around protecting seniors, what we can do that is about giving hard-working folks a break and bringing down the cost of living. i believe in what we can do together that is about sustaining america's standing in the world and ensuring that we have the respect that we so rightly deserve including respecting our military and ensuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world. i will be a president that will protect our fundamental rights and freedoms including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government tell her what to do. i'll tell you, i started my career as a prosecutor. i was a da, i was an attorney

general, a united states senator and now vice-president. i've only had one client, the people. and i'll tell you, as a prosecutor, i never asked a victim or a witness, are you a republican or a democrat. the only thing i ever asked them, are you okay. and that's the kind of president we need right now. someone who cares about you and is not putting themselves first. i intend to be a president for all americans and focus on what we can do over the next ten and 20 years to build back up our country by investing right now in you the american people. >> linsey: vice-president harris thank you. president trump? >> trump: so she just started by saying she's going to do this, she's going to do that, she's going to do all these wonderful things. why hasn't she done it? she's been there for three and a half years. they've had three and a half years to fix the border. they've had three and a half years to create jobs and all the

things we talked about. why hasn't she done it? she should leave right now, go down to that beautiful white house, go to the capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do but you haven't done it and you won't do it. because you believe in things that the american people don't believe in. ing to frac, we're not going to take fossil fuel. things that are going to make this country strong, whether you like it or not. germany tried that and within one year they were back to building normal energy plants. we're not ready for it. we can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision. but i just ask one simple question. why didn't she do it? we're a failing nation. we're a nation that's inserious decline. we're being laughed at all over the world. all over the world they're laughing. i know the leaders, very well. they're coming to see me. they call me. we're laughed at all over the world. they don't understand what happened to us as a nation.

we're not a leader. we don't have any idea what's going on. we have wars going on in the middle east. we have wars going on with russia and ukraine. we're going to end up in a third world war and it will be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry. i rebuilour entire military. she gave a lot of it away to the taliban. she gave it to afghanistan. what these people have done to our country and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of people to come into our country, many of them are criminals, and they're destroying our country. the worst president, the worst vice-president in the history of our country. >> linsey: president trump, thank you. and that is our abc news presidential debate from here in philadelphia at the national constitution center. i'm linsey davis. >> david: and i'm david muir thank you for watching here in the u.s. and all over the world and for all of us here at abc news, good night. ♪

>> shannon: there you have it history made tonight in philadelphia as the trump harris debate comes to an end. let's bring in our panel for reaction. mark you had a lot to say during this. the feeling that the moderators were putting a weight on the scale that they were following up in a different way with him and her and that the topics were not good for her -- not good for him sorry. >> let me say jake tapper and dana bash did a great job in the first debate so i gave them credit publicly for it these moderators were terrible. they asked one question about her flip flops and didn't follow up and everything trump said they followed up and pressed him on. some ridiculous question about would you veto a national abortion ban which he pointed out can't be passed because there's not enough votes in the senate you need 60 votes to do it the problem is when you're complaining about the refs you're losing and, look, she was very prepared. she had clearly studied. she had planned a series of putting out bait from everything

from the central park 5 to january 6th, and unfortunately he kept taking the bait and he was talking about january 6th. at one point he even brought it up himself. and that -- every minute you're doing that he on -- barely talked for example about evs so she supported one of her flip flops is she supports an ev mandates. she wanted an e v mandate had a bill she introduced that would have banned all gas powered cars mandated all evs by 20 40. michigan is in play auto workers he should be talking about that and instead -- and the moderators pushed him in that direction and the opposition, they teamed up to get him to take the bait and he took it unfortunately >> shannon: marie you were feeling very good about this but again there are so many positions from her that i think everybody would have liked to have heard more of an articulation of where she is and is there an evolution and how that played out otherwise you feel like this is a good night for her. >> this was a debate about who these two candidates are. sure they talked about policy but this is a debate about who

they are. donald trump was incoherent. he went down rabbit holes, he was angry, he was mean. he didn't look presidential. kamala harris showed up prepared, she had studied, she had a vision for the future. i thought the abortion section for her was incredibly strong. i thought even on something like foreign policy and afghanistan she came ready to not just debate the past but to lay out a vision for the future. and i think she had one of the best lines towards the end when she said, you know, americans want better than this. she was talking about race. but americans want better than this. this is a change election. we know that from polls and tonight donald trump gave us more of the same and kamala harris gave the american people that other candidate we know in polling they have been looking for for many many many months >> shannon: and katie some will say the reason you got more of the same from president trump is because the questions that were posed to him and you heard the vice-president there making her very clear case she is about the future. he's about the past but so many

of the questions were about the past. >> the number one issue in this country is the economy. inflation is destroying the budgets of american families, there's an affordability crisis whether it's putting food on the table or being able to buy your first home or afford a business. the second is illegal immigration which is crushing american communities all over the country whether in new york city or in a small town and there were maybe 30 minutes ever discussion questions on those two issues and the rest were very heavily focused on obamacare, january 6th, issues that have not been, you know, showing up in polling in terms of things that voters actually care about. so i think there was a huge missed opportunity here in terms of the voters and what they wanted to hear about tonight from this debate >> shannon: what do you think based on how they performed tonight whether there will be more debates. >> mark and i were back and forth a little bit here wile this was going on and i think we agree on this and so the viewers would want to know that. [laughter]

>> shannon: there is agreement. >> the question was, she did so well that she may feel like why bother. and he did so badly he may not want another debate. but it actually would be in his interests because he's the one who came out on the short end of tonight's stick. i mean the idea that he's talking about cats, people eating cats and the moderators say that's just not true. i mean it's pretty shocking. but he ended up, and i think this is the biggest tell if this was a poker game, guess who turned red faced and looked like he was having to just hold it in, that was donald trump he was the loser tonight. >> in 2020 he had a terrible first debate and he had a great second debate and i don't know that he's going to get a second chance >> shannon: we'll see. he and his team may feel like it's a great night tonight. it may depend on your perspective, how your respective candidate did tonight. we always love to here from him on the socials and otherwise what you think. panel thank you very much. that wraps our coverage for tonight. we'll have much more analysis on sunday on fox news sunday, we'll

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at 730, a tense situation between oakland police and a barricaded person with a knife. it came to an end. citizen video showing several police vehicles outside the home. this was on international boulevard. and as you see here, it's just down the street from that el pollo loco restaurant this morning. police say they received calls about a person inside the home making threats. and we're told that shortly after officers responded, they were able to take that person into custody. no word yet of any charges. okay. as i just mentioned, the presidential debate the first time that these two candidates have met is now over. and i want to welcome to the show, corey cook. thank you so much for being here, corey. political scientist and vice provost at saint mary's. so your overall takeaway tonight, did either candidate do a really good job of setting themselves apart? >> i think vice president kamala harris did an extraordinary had an extraordinary performance. i

think she did everything that her advisers had hoped she would do tonight. now, again, it's still a long way to the election day. this has been an extraordinary election, right. so many things have changed so rapidly. but she had an opportunity tonight to introduce herself to voters who are interested in learning more about her. she did that incredibly well. she had an opportunity to differentiate herself from the former president. i think she did that very well. she addressed many of the concerns where she's not winning on issues. i think she was able to neutralize those, and she certainly had very, very strong answers on those issues around abortion and other things that were in her favor. she's still the underdog in many ways. the fundamentals of the election favor the former president. but that being said, she had an exceptional performance tonight. >> do you think, though, corey, that she gave enough specifics? >> no, i don't, and i think over the coming days and weeks, she will be pressed by in her various public appearances by the media. come out and tell us more. we want to see details. you talked about your plans. we want to hear them. we want to ask you more questions about

them. so no, she she certainly did not. but what she did do well was indicate what she would do as president, which she did incredibly well was differentiate herself from the former president. and she baited him into the sort of chaos moments that i think turn off moderate and swing voters and folks who are looking at this election now saying, i've got to choose between these two, these two folks and i, and i don't think he had a good night tonight. i think his advisers were hoping he would appear presidential, that he would be able to appeal to moderates, that he would not be drawn into personality and other conflicts, that he would not be baited to talk about internet memes and false stories and things. and he got baited and did all of those things. on the other hand, what we know is voters still don't know a lot about kamala harris in the polling that we've seen. they wanted to hear from her tonight. i think she did that incredibly well. again, she's trying to thread a needle here. that is almost impossible to imagine. >> it especially is when you talk about that she is part of the current administration and administration that a lot of people blame for what they're feeling in their pocketbooks.

right. what's going on in the middle east? et cetera. et cetera. it is a very fine balance, a fine walk for vice president kamala harris. >> it is a change election and she is running as a vice president, a sitting vice president, effectively running for that administration's additional term in a change election. right. but what she is presenting herself as is both she is the candidate to effectuate change. and the things that the biden administration has done, she deserves credit for, because those are some positive things. that is a very difficult needle to thread, right? at its worst, it comes off as blame me for the things you don't like, and don't give me any credit because i won't cause any change. at best, it comes off as this administration has made progress that i was part of, and i am the person who can lead the type of change that you want. i thought tonight was an absolutely brilliant performance. >> okay, let's talk though for a moment about the former president's performance, because there were some concerns from republicans that he might become a little unhinged and get a little bit more personal, he

didn't really do a whole lot of that. i hear what you're saying in terms of he did get rattled, but he didn't really take those really strong punches or deliver those really strong punches. >> he did. he didn't he? he wasn't as as negative and harshly personal as he has been in previous debates. right. he did not take that bait to attack the former. the current vice president personally. what he did do, though, was take his best attack policies right where he could very much differentiate himself. >> economy, immigration, right where he is. >> the polls show people prefer his point of view, and he actually didn't score any points. he didn't actually make any. he didn't make a lot of sense actually, tonight. right. because he was focused on so many things at once that his you could just see him sort of grasping at multiple things at the same time. and there were times he would say, this is where, you know, the former president is going to say. and he didn't. instead, he referenced again, a story on the internet that he found, or he

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